Oh goodness this is just the best cripple fight.

Normally I would avoid such topics but while the show here isGǪ how does she put it? cute?

-This has always been a reason (among others) that has kept me out of that channel and typically out of the IGS in general. Perhaps I partially do agree in fact with the crazy woman. There are a number of problems there and here.

A more in-character question from me: why is he a moderator in the first place?

He and his entire corp are enemies of all New Eden.

THAT PART. GǪis the problem for I and I'm sure a number of others here.

If anything of any importance occurred in the Summit, the OP might have a tenuously drawn point.

But seeking to find outrage in the fact that a Nation loyalist is involved in moderating what is, for the most part, as banal as listening to the puerile chatter of pre-pubescent girls at a grade school sleepover seems to be taking it all a little too seriously.

I frequently get into very long and drawn out disagreements with members of the TS-F. And other groups but that is not the point.

The point is I have never once been banned or threatened with moderation for a disagreement. I have in other personally owned channels and there is a very large air-gap between how it feels to be muted or banned for talking out against someone and being reminded of the rules or that the topic at hand is distasteful. The moderators of the Summit do a very good job of allowing many different voices to be heard. Examples include many pirate factions, slavers, freedom-fighters, racists, humanitarians, those who advocate peace and those who advocate war. Null-bears, care-bears and all the people in between. Members of people who are at outright total warfare against each other.

The Summit is the one place that an actual exchange of opinion can happen outside of deep space and auto cannons.

I have been vocal and opinionated about many things, I have started more arguments and disagreements than I have ended. Most of the members of the Summit have either me personally red or at the least my Alliance. I am there every single day arguing and making enemies more often than not with one or more of the moderators. I assure you, they are performing exactly to standard. The moderators of the Summit as well as it creator(s) have accomplished something that even CONCORD could not and should be praised for the work they put into it.

Indeed. Although there is some question as to her awareness of this.

I have ranted and raged on the Summit, but never been "moderated" for that. In fact, the only time I have been banned from the Summit was for something done completely outside of the Summit. Furthermore, during that particular time, I was on the summit very little. However, a corp mate was raising a stink on the IGS and as a result one of the Summit moderators banned all of us from the Summit. It had nothing to do with the affiliation of the moderator. It had everything to do with the fact that what my colleague did on the IGS irritated the **** out of him. Moderators are human and the more involved they get, the more their humanity shows.

The problem with Summit moderators has nothing to do with their affiliation. As much as Nation adherents would like to think of themselves as above the noise of human emotion, frustration, and irritation, they are not. As such they are human and will make human judgments. As moderators, they will not be perfect. Their choices will vary from person to person in objectivity. Don't pretend that you go to the Summit for calm, reasoned, productive discussion. You go to the summit to be entertained by each others quirks. The moderators are just as quirky as any of us. Don't expect them to be "above it all."

I like how you really don't read prior statements.

1. I don't want to leave. I like The Summit, or moreso, the community there, not the channel's favorites and moderators.

2. This topic is full of the same names, all equally hating of what I call you out on. Yet within the actual channel it is a near constant that there are multiple people (typically lesser known or newer names) who find I'm fair in my statements and very enlightening.

Heck, go ask the Sansha moderator himself how many people came to my defense the moment he threatened moderation.

Here's your problem: You don't like me. As Saber put, your little "club" doesn't like me either. Characters who've been empowered too long within a channel that considers itself the official hub of all New Eden capsuleer interaction.

I remind them that you really are so little in the grander spectrum and that anyone can oppose you, even where you (and all of your little clubbers here) would bully someone around.

I think it's my turn to say, if you don't like it you can leave.

I'm not going anywhere.

Oh you'll remove me far sooner than that. For that channel is far from neutral.

It'll happen as I continue to treat said Cardinal as an equal. For it is in my blood to spit in his face. And I could care less for how much your club doesn't like me for it.

I'm a rebel, always have, always will be. If you want to remove my capsuleer voice because my character just doesn't mesh well with your kind, then go ahead and do so.

Only you'll be proving the double standard.

I could care less who else might consider me an equal. I consider myself an equal; as much as the True Slaves consider themselves worthy of contributing even if their presence offends a great many.

And why would I paint you a string of names you can additionally bully?

Or even ban?

No, you can reap me and only me (I'd prefer). Truth should never carry such a price.

There are many double standards at work in The Summit than just the ones I've raised. An example of how corrupt the channel really has become.



An impression. One that I can quote for later times when it comes to how much stock one can put in your laughingstock of a channel.

Also a gentle push in nudging the community toward a more fitting one.

And maybe a little in general enlightenment overall to the real nature of your little Summit club.


Although bonus freakin' points if ya'll dare to clean house because of this.

I see.

Thank you for your answer.

Please forgve me, but this all seems to be a little bit... show-y? Perhaps it is too Caldari of me, but this seems the sort of question best answered by the free market. Let us buy the product we like most, and place the onus on the manufacturer to do the selling.

The Summit is a well-known brand and carries some manner of clout, regardless of the more questionable elements you highlight. If you wish to claim market share, or damage its own current share, however, you will have to do more than a smear campaign - you will have to show a better product for us to purchase in its place.

I also find her ego getting in the way of judgement far more than it should.

Provide specific examples my moderator actions that are the result of this, or is this more your opinion than fact?

As demonstrated within this thread, easily. Even Saber pointed out where you crossed a line.

Nonetheless, I would like to stay. And of course to be a thorn in people's side as usual.

Did I specifically say you demonstrated such traits within The Summit? No. I've been referring to you being you in general. While I hope that's something you continue to not show within your power as a moderator, even Saber pointed out you hinted use of your power for personal opinion here.

Common sense considered, I think its safe to assume it's only a matter of time.

Horrible to you. I've taken you for your implied word, Miss Vitalia. Someone would be stupid not to.

The fact you're this sore over this could easily be another example.

Instead of fighting to get me to say something for you, how about just simply and originally saying, "Thank you for your opinion, Isis. I don't agree with it but you're welcome to it."

I think that would you properly telling me and anyone else monitoring this topic that you really don't let your personal opinion get in the way.


That would be a neutral response.



A moderator response.